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	<title>Comments on: The Blind Men and the Elephant: A Story of Noobs</title>
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		<title>By: Nichola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nichola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly what do you believe is the easiest weblog software to make use of for someone that has a quite restricted understanding of systems?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly what do you believe is the easiest weblog software to make use of for someone that has a quite restricted understanding of systems?</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post.  Well said, Yehuda.

Although, I find it a little sad that we have to remind each other to behave with civility.

I think the comments have gotten a little off-track in debating whether or not you should help noobs, or in what situations should you help them vs. letting them figure things out for themselves.  The most important message of this post is, whether you choose to help them or not, don&#039;t be a jerk about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  Well said, Yehuda.</p>
<p>Although, I find it a little sad that we have to remind each other to behave with civility.</p>
<p>I think the comments have gotten a little off-track in debating whether or not you should help noobs, or in what situations should you help them vs. letting them figure things out for themselves.  The most important message of this post is, whether you choose to help them or not, don&#8217;t be a jerk about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Woolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Woolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@arno - RubyMine&#039;s click-through-to-declaration and debugger has gotten pretty good in the latest releases, including gems and non-native Ruby language code.  If you learn best by reading source (which is a good thing!), I&#039;d recommend trying RubyMine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@arno &#8211; RubyMine&#8217;s click-through-to-declaration and debugger has gotten pretty good in the latest releases, including gems and non-native Ruby language code.  If you learn best by reading source (which is a good thing!), I&#8217;d recommend trying RubyMine.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post. It often takes very little time to point a &quot;noob&quot; in the right direction. PHP, for instance, has so many built in functions, but if you never know about them in the first place, you often end up reinventing the wheel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. It often takes very little time to point a &#8220;noob&#8221; in the right direction. PHP, for instance, has so many built in functions, but if you never know about them in the first place, you often end up reinventing the wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Bigg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Bigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. Dear god, yes, I completely agree with this. We were all noobs once and we should spread our knowledge to those without it so that they may spread it to those also without it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Dear god, yes, I completely agree with this. We were all noobs once and we should spread our knowledge to those without it so that they may spread it to those also without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Arno nyhm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arno nyhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am from java world and i learn more learning with reading the source code than from reading the doc files. In rails and with many gems it is hard to fas read the source, because the docs only display not the full source but only small method source code. Linking the original code to the docs is just a small link but helps very well to learn it. Also in most ide for rails i dont find out how to open the source code of a gem/railspart with just a click like in java ide i am missing.   

To change all the ide is hard - but to change the doc gerator to also show the full source code its a smaller change i think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from java world and i learn more learning with reading the source code than from reading the doc files. In rails and with many gems it is hard to fas read the source, because the docs only display not the full source but only small method source code. Linking the original code to the docs is just a small link but helps very well to learn it. Also in most ide for rails i dont find out how to open the source code of a gem/railspart with just a click like in java ide i am missing.   </p>
<p>To change all the ide is hard &#8211; but to change the doc gerator to also show the full source code its a smaller change i think.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Levitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Levitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Teach a man to fish&quot; isn&#039;t just exclusionary; it&#039;s self-defeating.  It&#039;s the Law of Emergent Fish.  You might be congratulating yourself for being such a long-term thinker, but guess what the NEXT person who tries to Google it will find?

Your suggestion that they try Googling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Teach a man to fish&#8221; isn&#8217;t just exclusionary; it&#8217;s self-defeating.  It&#8217;s the Law of Emergent Fish.  You might be congratulating yourself for being such a long-term thinker, but guess what the NEXT person who tries to Google it will find?</p>
<p>Your suggestion that they try Googling.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would suggest that those debating how much aid should be given to novices read about Vygotsky&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_proximal_development&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zone of Proximal Development&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://projects.coe.uga.edu/epltt/index.php?title=Social_Constructivism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Social Constructivism&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that those debating how much aid should be given to novices read about Vygotsky&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_proximal_development" rel="nofollow">Zone of Proximal Development</a> and <a href="http://projects.coe.uga.edu/epltt/index.php?title=Social_Constructivism" rel="nofollow">Social Constructivism</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkMT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkMT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I certainly agree with Yehuda&#039;s summary of the difficulties faced by noobs, though I think maybe there is a little more to the underlying cause than is evident in the elephant story (Evgeni&#039;s comments start to get at the issue) ...

I think part of the problem has to do with the balance of skills amongst people working on open source. I don&#039;t mean the level of skill, which of course is inevitably very broad, but rather the kinds of skills being brought to bear. My impression is that most people involved in open source are essentially (surprise, surprise) coders, which of course is fundamentally essential. But not all software developers have the instincts, inclination or background to think about software from an architectural perspective and even fewer get excited about the idea of writing about architecture.

So though there may be an ocean of blog articles explaining how to solve every imaginable coding problem, there is very little documentation that attempts to describe the overall design of many software projects. And without some view of the architecture of these complex systems, it becomes much much harder to penetrate the code itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree with Yehuda&#8217;s summary of the difficulties faced by noobs, though I think maybe there is a little more to the underlying cause than is evident in the elephant story (Evgeni&#8217;s comments start to get at the issue) &#8230;</p>
<p>I think part of the problem has to do with the balance of skills amongst people working on open source. I don&#8217;t mean the level of skill, which of course is inevitably very broad, but rather the kinds of skills being brought to bear. My impression is that most people involved in open source are essentially (surprise, surprise) coders, which of course is fundamentally essential. But not all software developers have the instincts, inclination or background to think about software from an architectural perspective and even fewer get excited about the idea of writing about architecture.</p>
<p>So though there may be an ocean of blog articles explaining how to solve every imaginable coding problem, there is very little documentation that attempts to describe the overall design of many software projects. And without some view of the architecture of these complex systems, it becomes much much harder to penetrate the code itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Schofield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yehuda is not saying anything earth shattering here but its still nice to hear it being said.  IMO attitude is a big factor in the success of any software project.  Its even more important in something that involves volunteer contributions.  

Its been my personal experience that the so called &quot;noob&quot; often ends up making extremely valuable contributions after they are shown the way.  I am also fond of saying that &quot;some people cannot be helped.&quot;  Its a two way street and if the noob is not receptive to new ideas or listening to your explanations then you are wasting your time.

Thanks for encouraging people to maintain the proper attitude.  It also appears that you have inspired several so called noobs with your own noob origin story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yehuda is not saying anything earth shattering here but its still nice to hear it being said.  IMO attitude is a big factor in the success of any software project.  Its even more important in something that involves volunteer contributions.  </p>
<p>Its been my personal experience that the so called &#8220;noob&#8221; often ends up making extremely valuable contributions after they are shown the way.  I am also fond of saying that &#8220;some people cannot be helped.&#8221;  Its a two way street and if the noob is not receptive to new ideas or listening to your explanations then you are wasting your time.</p>
<p>Thanks for encouraging people to maintain the proper attitude.  It also appears that you have inspired several so called noobs with your own noob origin story.</p>
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