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		<title>By: dgl</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2010/01/05/the-maximal-usage-doctrine-for-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-17971</link>
		<dc:creator>dgl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally I agree that that non-protective licenses fit the needs of small or mid-sized Open Source projects, but in long-term GPL is a better choice.

For example, imagine that Linus chose BSD license for Linux, formed the community around it, but then after a while a big company decides to make its own closed Linux and calls in Pinux. Next say 5 years they constantly improve Pinux while merging from geek-powered community of Linux, so in 5 years they have all features of Linux plus a lot of their closed-source improvements. Would Linux have gained such success always being an outsider? I guess not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I agree that that non-protective licenses fit the needs of small or mid-sized Open Source projects, but in long-term GPL is a better choice.</p>
<p>For example, imagine that Linus chose BSD license for Linux, formed the community around it, but then after a while a big company decides to make its own closed Linux and calls in Pinux. Next say 5 years they constantly improve Pinux while merging from geek-powered community of Linux, so in 5 years they have all features of Linux plus a lot of their closed-source improvements. Would Linux have gained such success always being an outsider? I guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Bannasch</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2010/01/05/the-maximal-usage-doctrine-for-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-17968</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Bannasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because a copyleft license has a network effect I think the essential difference is that a copyleft license guarantees more freedom to the person to whom software in general is distributed.

A BSD/MIT license guarantees more freedom to the person receiving or distributing specific software.

Both are useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because a copyleft license has a network effect I think the essential difference is that a copyleft license guarantees more freedom to the person to whom software in general is distributed.</p>
<p>A BSD/MIT license guarantees more freedom to the person receiving or distributing specific software.</p>
<p>Both are useful.</p>
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		<title>By: inqui</title>
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		<dc:creator>inqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree in general, but disagree on the Linux Kernel. For example, i use a LinkSys router as a little home server. Linux based and some time ago it was &quot;just&quot; a proprietary router. Threatened with a law suit they decided to open source the firmware und promote the entire product line as &quot;open products&quot;.

This would never have happened with a BSD style licencse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree in general, but disagree on the Linux Kernel. For example, i use a LinkSys router as a little home server. Linux based and some time ago it was &#8220;just&#8221; a proprietary router. Threatened with a law suit they decided to open source the firmware und promote the entire product line as &#8220;open products&#8221;.</p>
<p>This would never have happened with a BSD style licencse.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Simpson</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2010/01/05/the-maximal-usage-doctrine-for-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-17932</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I simply choose to develop open-source software (always MIT licensed) that would never be monetizable. When you develop for the common good, and in an ecosystem where people are used to not having to pay for good things, you don&#039;t have to worry what might happen if some company tried to monetize it, because you have a built-in, easy argument: my version of the code is free, their&#039;s costs money. which one do you, little simple web developer, want to use?

AFAIK, MIT doesn&#039;t require the license statement to be perpetuated through derivative works, but it seems to just suggest/request it. And this is good enough for me. I hope I get some credit for the work I do, but more than that, I hope my work contributes to the overall good.

Bottom line, the reason I open-source code is because I *trust* the open-source community as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I simply choose to develop open-source software (always MIT licensed) that would never be monetizable. When you develop for the common good, and in an ecosystem where people are used to not having to pay for good things, you don&#8217;t have to worry what might happen if some company tried to monetize it, because you have a built-in, easy argument: my version of the code is free, their&#8217;s costs money. which one do you, little simple web developer, want to use?</p>
<p>AFAIK, MIT doesn&#8217;t require the license statement to be perpetuated through derivative works, but it seems to just suggest/request it. And this is good enough for me. I hope I get some credit for the work I do, but more than that, I hope my work contributes to the overall good.</p>
<p>Bottom line, the reason I open-source code is because I *trust* the open-source community as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulo Cesar</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2010/01/05/the-maximal-usage-doctrine-for-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-17920</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulo Cesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just one question:

Does Apple contribute to BSD as much as Intel, Nokia and Google contributes to Linux? 

I really don&#039;t think so.. I think they contribute because the license requires them to contribute, not because they are &quot;nice guys&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one question:</p>
<p>Does Apple contribute to BSD as much as Intel, Nokia and Google contributes to Linux? </p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think so.. I think they contribute because the license requires them to contribute, not because they are &#8220;nice guys&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BjornW</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2010/01/05/the-maximal-usage-doctrine-for-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-17919</link>
		<dc:creator>BjornW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting, most people commenting and Yehuda seem to assume that a company cannot use the GPL and sell its products. I don&#039;t agree. 

For instance there are more and more hardware devices using embedded Linux being sold. Since Linux is licensed under the GPL the source code needs to be made available as well. This does not seem to have slowed down adaption of embedded Linux in the hardware world. 

I guess it really depends on the context, but I would be very interested in any research results on the adaption and usage of software licenses in relation to the Tragedy of The Commons principle.  

Personally I prefer to use copyleft licenses. It seems both the best and worst way to teach people the quid pro quo mentality some of us seem to take for granted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, most people commenting and Yehuda seem to assume that a company cannot use the GPL and sell its products. I don&#8217;t agree. </p>
<p>For instance there are more and more hardware devices using embedded Linux being sold. Since Linux is licensed under the GPL the source code needs to be made available as well. This does not seem to have slowed down adaption of embedded Linux in the hardware world. </p>
<p>I guess it really depends on the context, but I would be very interested in any research results on the adaption and usage of software licenses in relation to the Tragedy of The Commons principle.  </p>
<p>Personally I prefer to use copyleft licenses. It seems both the best and worst way to teach people the quid pro quo mentality some of us seem to take for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t agree more. We have two open source libraries we&#039;d be very willing to contribute paid developer time to, *if* they were MIT/BSD licensed and not GPL. Why? Because we could then use the libraries in a proprietary product we&#039;re developing to sell to commercial customers.

Instead, we have to redevelop the library from scratch. I can understand applications and &#039;top-level&#039; software being GPL licensed as these are a &#039;finished product&#039;, but for libraries I would prefer them all to be permissively licensed, so we get one well-developed, solid library and not half a dozen incomplete implementations - as is all too often the case in the PHP world (and what I&#039;ve seen of Python GPL libraries too).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. We have two open source libraries we&#8217;d be very willing to contribute paid developer time to, *if* they were MIT/BSD licensed and not GPL. Why? Because we could then use the libraries in a proprietary product we&#8217;re developing to sell to commercial customers.</p>
<p>Instead, we have to redevelop the library from scratch. I can understand applications and &#8216;top-level&#8217; software being GPL licensed as these are a &#8216;finished product&#8217;, but for libraries I would prefer them all to be permissively licensed, so we get one well-developed, solid library and not half a dozen incomplete implementations &#8211; as is all too often the case in the PHP world (and what I&#8217;ve seen of Python GPL libraries too).</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Till Salzer: The GPL family of licenses does not prohibit commercialization. Take for example the case of StatusNet - their product is licensed under the AGPLv3 - by this post&#039;s author&#039;s definition, and incredibly &quot;restrictive&quot; license. However, the company has received ventured capital, and has a solid business model developing customizations for paying customers, doing consulting, and selling support contracts. IMHO, the StatusNet business model seems far more robust that the Twitter (SN&#039;s proprietary competitor) business model... which I still can&#039;t figure out.

Free software can be commercial software. For another example, take a look at Red Hat. They make many millions of dollars per year in global profits on GPL&#039;ed software, and they are clearly a commercial entity.

For another point of view, consider the case of say Pidgin, the popular IM client. Pidgin is licensed under the GPL, and has many proprietary competitors. If Pidgin were to be BSD/MIT/APL/etc licensed, you can guarantee some company would take the code, throw some money and shininess at it, and sell the result. They would make millions... and the Pidgin project would die. Users are left with unmaintained, buggy software (as proprietary software tends to be), and the original developers would feel &quot;ripped off&quot; as their code is now in use by a product they don&#039;t even have the source code, and to add insult to injury, they would have to pay for it.

I&#039;m a software engineer by profession, and make money doing it. And I&#039;m certainly not concerned that Free software will ruin my career - in fact, I&#039;m positive it will improve it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Till Salzer: The GPL family of licenses does not prohibit commercialization. Take for example the case of StatusNet &#8211; their product is licensed under the AGPLv3 &#8211; by this post&#8217;s author&#8217;s definition, and incredibly &#8220;restrictive&#8221; license. However, the company has received ventured capital, and has a solid business model developing customizations for paying customers, doing consulting, and selling support contracts. IMHO, the StatusNet business model seems far more robust that the Twitter (SN&#8217;s proprietary competitor) business model&#8230; which I still can&#8217;t figure out.</p>
<p>Free software can be commercial software. For another example, take a look at Red Hat. They make many millions of dollars per year in global profits on GPL&#8217;ed software, and they are clearly a commercial entity.</p>
<p>For another point of view, consider the case of say Pidgin, the popular IM client. Pidgin is licensed under the GPL, and has many proprietary competitors. If Pidgin were to be BSD/MIT/APL/etc licensed, you can guarantee some company would take the code, throw some money and shininess at it, and sell the result. They would make millions&#8230; and the Pidgin project would die. Users are left with unmaintained, buggy software (as proprietary software tends to be), and the original developers would feel &#8220;ripped off&#8221; as their code is now in use by a product they don&#8217;t even have the source code, and to add insult to injury, they would have to pay for it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a software engineer by profession, and make money doing it. And I&#8217;m certainly not concerned that Free software will ruin my career &#8211; in fact, I&#8217;m positive it will improve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For my project, Libre.fm, we chose the Affero GPL. Why? Because we want people to give back when they modify our software, and because it&#039;s a web app, there&#039;s usually no distribution involved for the user.

Regular GPL does the same thing for non-network applications.

If your goal is to protect the rights of the users to be able to live in freedom, you want the GPL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my project, Libre.fm, we chose the Affero GPL. Why? Because we want people to give back when they modify our software, and because it&#8217;s a web app, there&#8217;s usually no distribution involved for the user.</p>
<p>Regular GPL does the same thing for non-network applications.</p>
<p>If your goal is to protect the rights of the users to be able to live in freedom, you want the GPL.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Shebanow</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2010/01/05/the-maximal-usage-doctrine-for-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-17909</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Shebanow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A thought provoking article and discussion, thanks.

Personally, I lean towards a variant of the philosophy August mentioned: if the stewards of a project are doing a good job of serving their community, their community will support them back. That is why MIT/BSD licensed projects like jQuery and Rails succeed, and why other MIT/BSD projects do not. But that is equally true of GPL and LGPL projects: Linux is not the sole example, by a long shot (mysql, git, gcc, webkit, and 1000s more).

Further, I&#039;ve worked at a number of very large corporations (Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, etc.) and of those companies, only Microsoft had any issue with using GPL&#039;d software internally (and their stance may have softened in the many years since I worked there, I have no idea). Company lawyers do tend to shy away from including any GPL&#039;d code in products that get distributed to end users because of copyleft, but in my experience this was not a big inhibitor. To name just one example, Adobe&#039;s acrobat.com runs primarily on Linux servers using mysql and many other pieces of LGPL software. Of course, the fact that these corporations are using these GPL packages more or less &quot;as-is&quot; means that they are less likely to be contributing patches back to those GPL projects as you discuss in your article. But its not black or white.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought provoking article and discussion, thanks.</p>
<p>Personally, I lean towards a variant of the philosophy August mentioned: if the stewards of a project are doing a good job of serving their community, their community will support them back. That is why MIT/BSD licensed projects like jQuery and Rails succeed, and why other MIT/BSD projects do not. But that is equally true of GPL and LGPL projects: Linux is not the sole example, by a long shot (mysql, git, gcc, webkit, and 1000s more).</p>
<p>Further, I&#8217;ve worked at a number of very large corporations (Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, etc.) and of those companies, only Microsoft had any issue with using GPL&#8217;d software internally (and their stance may have softened in the many years since I worked there, I have no idea). Company lawyers do tend to shy away from including any GPL&#8217;d code in products that get distributed to end users because of copyleft, but in my experience this was not a big inhibitor. To name just one example, Adobe&#8217;s acrobat.com runs primarily on Linux servers using mysql and many other pieces of LGPL software. Of course, the fact that these corporations are using these GPL packages more or less &#8220;as-is&#8221; means that they are less likely to be contributing patches back to those GPL projects as you discuss in your article. But its not black or white.</p>
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