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		<title>By: Booya</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-17926</link>
		<dc:creator>Booya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch.  

A year-and-a-half later and DZone is still using this outdated business practice, (although it looks like online newspapers will soon attempt the same).  

Looks like I&#039;ll be going elsewhere for the info that&#039;s given in the DZone ref cards.  (Thanks Skidoosh).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch.  </p>
<p>A year-and-a-half later and DZone is still using this outdated business practice, (although it looks like online newspapers will soon attempt the same).  </p>
<p>Looks like I&#8217;ll be going elsewhere for the info that&#8217;s given in the DZone ref cards.  (Thanks Skidoosh).</p>
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		<title>By: Skidoosh</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-17483</link>
		<dc:creator>Skidoosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who&#039;s interested I&#039;ve published V2 of a jQuery reference if you want to have a look at that it&#039;s here: http://www.skidoosh.co.uk/jquery/jquery-selectors-and-attribute-selectors-reference-and-examples-v2/ I&#039;ll be updating it for 1.3 in a few days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who&#8217;s interested I&#8217;ve published V2 of a jQuery reference if you want to have a look at that it&#8217;s here: <a href="http://www.skidoosh.co.uk/jquery/jquery-selectors-and-attribute-selectors-reference-and-examples-v2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skidoosh.co.uk/jquery/jquery-selectors-and-attribute-selectors-reference-and-examples-v2/</a> I&#8217;ll be updating it for 1.3 in a few days.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-16028</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the refcard Yehuda, coming in handy while I make my way through the book.

@Rick Ross, I think you have really missed the boat here. Every online service today can benefit from sponsorship and collected data, however, every online service gets you in the door with just 4 fields; Username, email, password, password verified.

It&#039;s how you go from there that makes all the difference. What online service do you know that doesn&#039;t allow you to create a profile once you are a member? Tell me you couldn&#039;t scour through twitter users and find 75 % of them have filled in most of the information you are seeking on your login wall. The difference is that they chose to do this because the feel they own the space and that they can &quot;personalize&quot; it.

Your method of 18 required fields of highly personal information (circa 1999) leaves the hair on most peoples necks standing on end. I suggest a simple registration of 4 fields and let the rest take shape at the users will. Either way it shows up in your database at some point. The later method just leaves a better taste in visitors mouths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the refcard Yehuda, coming in handy while I make my way through the book.</p>
<p>@Rick Ross, I think you have really missed the boat here. Every online service today can benefit from sponsorship and collected data, however, every online service gets you in the door with just 4 fields; Username, email, password, password verified.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s how you go from there that makes all the difference. What online service do you know that doesn&#8217;t allow you to create a profile once you are a member? Tell me you couldn&#8217;t scour through twitter users and find 75 % of them have filled in most of the information you are seeking on your login wall. The difference is that they chose to do this because the feel they own the space and that they can &#8220;personalize&#8221; it.</p>
<p>Your method of 18 required fields of highly personal information (circa 1999) leaves the hair on most peoples necks standing on end. I suggest a simple registration of 4 fields and let the rest take shape at the users will. Either way it shows up in your database at some point. The later method just leaves a better taste in visitors mouths.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-12752</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I filled in all the stupid fields and was still unable to download. This is one of the worst interfaces I have encountered. Too bad the RefCards looked interesting. Moving on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I filled in all the stupid fields and was still unable to download. This is one of the worst interfaces I have encountered. Too bad the RefCards looked interesting. Moving on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Julien</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-12672</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Julien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the refcard a couple of weeks ago and have given it some real use. Thanks, Yehuda! Really neat, clear, and also attractive.

Today I found this blog and I thought I would find more on the same line. Instead, I find all this rant about &quot;why does DZone want my personal information???&quot;.

Is it really worth it? I mean, if the business seems legit and the product provided seems good to me, then why not? I mean, they are not asking me to install some suspicious toolbar, to give my credit card info for no good reason, or anything beyond what is to be expected from your usual customer segmentation. I share some info, I get some useful files; win-win. Should I worry of the use they will make of my info? Well, as much as I worry about leaving my suit at the dry-cleaning: there&#039;s always the risk that something might go wrong; it&#039;s up to you to take it or leave it. The web is no different in many respects to the &quot;outside&quot; world.

I find the risk acceptable. If you don&#039;t, don&#039;t get it. I think comments here should be more about the refcard and less about the way it&#039;s being distributed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the refcard a couple of weeks ago and have given it some real use. Thanks, Yehuda! Really neat, clear, and also attractive.</p>
<p>Today I found this blog and I thought I would find more on the same line. Instead, I find all this rant about &#8220;why does DZone want my personal information???&#8221;.</p>
<p>Is it really worth it? I mean, if the business seems legit and the product provided seems good to me, then why not? I mean, they are not asking me to install some suspicious toolbar, to give my credit card info for no good reason, or anything beyond what is to be expected from your usual customer segmentation. I share some info, I get some useful files; win-win. Should I worry of the use they will make of my info? Well, as much as I worry about leaving my suit at the dry-cleaning: there&#8217;s always the risk that something might go wrong; it&#8217;s up to you to take it or leave it. The web is no different in many respects to the &#8220;outside&#8221; world.</p>
<p>I find the risk acceptable. If you don&#8217;t, don&#8217;t get it. I think comments here should be more about the refcard and less about the way it&#8217;s being distributed.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-12584</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Revenue from sponsorships makes it possible for us to fund the creation of quality content...

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn&#039;t all the content on DZONE contributed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Revenue from sponsorships makes it possible for us to fund the creation of quality content&#8230;</p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong, but isn&#8217;t all the content on DZONE contributed?</p>
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		<title>By: stef</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-12488</link>
		<dc:creator>stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its called web developer toolbar which automatically fills in all forms fields. just enter old hotmail address you still have access to and they can then send me stuff to extprofile_address_1 postal code extprofile_post.

thanks for the refcard tho</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its called web developer toolbar which automatically fills in all forms fields. just enter old hotmail address you still have access to and they can then send me stuff to extprofile_address_1 postal code extprofile_post.</p>
<p>thanks for the refcard tho</p>
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		<title>By: Jmil</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-12477</link>
		<dc:creator>Jmil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always use a fake email =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always use a fake email =)</p>
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		<title>By: B Reagan</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-12264</link>
		<dc:creator>B Reagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the most absurd thing I&#039;ve ever seen. It&#039;s common knowledge among rational adults that forcing registration is a dated, deeply stupid strategy.  Not only do these jackalopes ask for that, but they ask for a ton of required fields too? Unreal. 

Dick Ross, how many of the 50,000 users had names like NunuvyerBizniss and YeuSuck Bawls.  Because that&#039;s exactly what I put in your ridiculous form.  That and my Spam address, tailored for bottom feeders like your associates. 

Sell ads, pal. Sell a service. Do NOT force your users to accept unsolicited crap.  Anyone making money with this &#039;sponsorship&#039; nonsense is a hack and an idiot.  For every one of those knuckledraggers, there&#039;s 20 times more people who make a living without being parasitic dirt bags.   

I&#039;m sorry for being so rude, but I haven&#039;t seen anything like for years and I feel very strongly about it.  Seriously, didn&#039;t you get the memo? 

Today was the first and last time I go to that silly website.  It will fail if you continue your misguided tactics.  jQuery rocks.  I love that book.  You have sullied the names of all involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most absurd thing I&#8217;ve ever seen. It&#8217;s common knowledge among rational adults that forcing registration is a dated, deeply stupid strategy.  Not only do these jackalopes ask for that, but they ask for a ton of required fields too? Unreal. </p>
<p>Dick Ross, how many of the 50,000 users had names like NunuvyerBizniss and YeuSuck Bawls.  Because that&#8217;s exactly what I put in your ridiculous form.  That and my Spam address, tailored for bottom feeders like your associates. </p>
<p>Sell ads, pal. Sell a service. Do NOT force your users to accept unsolicited crap.  Anyone making money with this &#8216;sponsorship&#8217; nonsense is a hack and an idiot.  For every one of those knuckledraggers, there&#8217;s 20 times more people who make a living without being parasitic dirt bags.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for being so rude, but I haven&#8217;t seen anything like for years and I feel very strongly about it.  Seriously, didn&#8217;t you get the memo? </p>
<p>Today was the first and last time I go to that silly website.  It will fail if you continue your misguided tactics.  jQuery rocks.  I love that book.  You have sullied the names of all involved.</p>
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		<title>By: MilesZS</title>
		<link>http://yehudakatz.com/2008/06/09/jquery-selector-refcardz/comment-page-1/#comment-12256</link>
		<dc:creator>MilesZS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are dealing with it, by deciding to not register for DZone.  

I wondered why the hell I hadn&#039;t already registered for DZone, right up to the point that I started registering.  I thought I&#039;d check out the comments here to see if I should just suck it up and register.  Mr. Ross&#039; comments sealed my decision.

DZone is welcome to rest their business upon users&#039; personal information.  Hell, Rick is even welcome to his condescending tone.  In turn, I&#039;m welcome to ignore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are dealing with it, by deciding to not register for DZone.  </p>
<p>I wondered why the hell I hadn&#8217;t already registered for DZone, right up to the point that I started registering.  I thought I&#8217;d check out the comments here to see if I should just suck it up and register.  Mr. Ross&#8217; comments sealed my decision.</p>
<p>DZone is welcome to rest their business upon users&#8217; personal information.  Hell, Rick is even welcome to his condescending tone.  In turn, I&#8217;m welcome to ignore them.</p>
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